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yuletide 2009: hit counts, comments, and predictions for 2010

January 1st, 2010 (10:41 am)

Now that Archive of Our Own allows you to sort for hit count, we can take a look at what the popular fics are this year. I'm writing this on the morning of New Year's Day, so these numbers will change a little, but the results are interesting. Here's the top 10, by hit count:

RANK		FIC				FANDOM		      COMMENTS	HITS
1	"They Come in Threes"		American Idol RPF/Merlin	53C	2813H
2	"Apocalypse How?		Dinosaur Comics			44C	2211H
3	"wind up the sun 
	and moon"			American Idol RPF		48C	2041H
4	"I Can't Turn This Around"	American Idol RPF		17C	2030H
5	"Most Likely To"		Breakfast Club (1985)		85C	1688H
6	"Every Day is a Reminder"	Calvin & Hobbes			77C	1565H
7	"Of Pants, Pranks and 
	Incidental Courtships"		Merlin RPF			38C	1440H
8	"Not Gonna Write You 
	a Love Song"			American Idol RPF		21C	1387H
9	"The Cable & Deadpool
	Yuletide Special"		Cable & Deadpool		59C	1376H
10	"Black Belt"			American Idol RPF		16C	1338H


For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that American Idol RPF may not be eligible for Yuletide next year.

I follow American Idol fic with the same intensity with which I follow AMERICAN IDOL the show -- which is to say, absolutely none at all -- but my guess is that the surge in AI fic has something to do with Adam Lambert, who features in every story above and over whom large swathes of fandom are swooning because he is a talented performer and Brings the Gay. Fandom has always been in love with the HoYay, but as more performers come out and as queer fandom increasingly asserts itself we're seeing queerness being seriously celebrated to the point of being an actual draw. (Note to self: corner market on HOMOSEXUALITY IS MY FANDOM T-shirts.)

The number one fic in terms of hits, and also the one with the dirtiest title, is "They Come in Threes," a 12,000 word Kris Allen/Adam Lambert fic that crosses over with the BBC's show MERLIN, and good grief, just from that description I honestly don't think you could get any more gay into that fic if you slathered it up with butter and introduced it to Tim Curry. AI RPF is also the number three fic. And number four. And number eight. And number ten.

Its absolute numbers are pretty staggering, too. That number one fic, which combines Adam Lambert and Merlin in a perfect slashy storm, gets six hundred hits more than its nearest fellow. Between #2 and #3, there's a gap of 200 hits; between #3 and #4, so few as makes no odds -- and then it's closer to four hundred hits between #4 and #5. But note also that the AI RPF have a much lower comment-to-hit ratio than the other fics up there. "They Come in Threes" got more than twice as many hits as "The Cable & Deadpool Yuletide Special," and the AI RPF got slightly fewer comments. The Calvin & Hobbes futurefic "Every Day is a Reminder" got more than a thousand fewer hits than "They Come in Threes" and over a third *more* comments. And "I Can't Turn This Around," which is much less technically proficient than the other AI RPF, has a really out of whack comments-to-hits ratio: the #4 most read fic this Yuletide, it got only 17 comments. All of this makes me think that most of the people reading Yuletide's AI RPF aren't werewolves. (My nickname for folks with AO3 accounts, because AOOO, Werewolves of Fandom.) A lot of these readers aren't coming here on recs, even; they're here looking at all the AI RPF. Further reason to think it may not be part of Yuletide next year -- that's a lot of folks who aren't in Yuletide who want Adam Lambert fic. I think this is his MERLIN year. (IE, the one year of eligibility after a splashy debut before popularity removes him from contention. BTW, I'm surprised as hell that LEVERAGE, which has eaten my flist alive, didn't show up on this list, and I'm even more surprised that MERLIN RPF was eligible.)

Notes on other trends: Dinosaur Comics made a splash this year, but it'll be interesting to see what happens if it returns next year. Only one fic for a popular webcomic, it got good hits -- but XKCD fic made a huge splash last year, and it declined a lot this year. Maybe the novelty will wear off, or folks will think it's been done as well as it could be, so why bother? Note that, like the AI RPF, Dinosaur Comics fic had a really low hit-to-comment ratio, so I'm thinking this one got linked among a lot of oupenskayas. (Oupenskayas are NOT werewolves.)

The remaining numbers of the top ten, hit-count-wise, are "Most Likely To" (Breakfast Club, 85 comments and 1688 hits), "Every Day is a Reminder" (Calvin & Hobbes, 77 comments and 1565 hits), and "The Cable & Deadpool Yuletide Special" (Cable & Deadpool, 59 comments and 1376 hits). [ETA post-reveal, in the interests of full disclosure: I wrote "The Cable & Deadpool Yuletide Special."] Higher comment to hit ratio probably indicates that more of the people who read these fics were werewolves, which makes sense; these are fandoms that don't have a big outside community that might get linked to Yuletide, and if you're not plugged into the Yuletide community and don't have recs to help you around, you're less likely to stumble on the other popular stories that aren't in your fandom. I'd never seen "Most Likely To" before the archive could be ranked by hit counts.

So, other than "Adam Lambert is eating the universe," what do these figures mean for Yuletide trends, and what can we predict for next Yuletide? First off, Calvin & Hobbes fanfic does *really* well every year. Especially Calvin & Hobbes futurefic. I see this trend lasting for a while, because Calvin & Hobbes is *incredibly* well-suited for Yuletide popularity, for the simple reason that there is no active writing fandom for it but there is not a single person on the planet who does not love Calvin and Hobbes. This means that every Yuletide you will have an audience of people who love the fandom and loved last year's big C&H story, so if you write a really good C&H story your story may well achieve Yuletide-wide prominence.

The only thing holding Calvin & Hobbes back, IMHO, is that there's not much of anyplace for the fandom to go. There's a reason why Calvin & Hobbes isn't a year-round fandom: fandom loves probing borders, and Watterson's genius is such that Calvin & Hobbes's borders are incredibly clear-cut and defined, and when you go outside them the results tend to be kind of final. "Every Day is a Reminder" and some other fics this year could be seen as rejoinders to last year's "The Sandwich Story." In "The Sandwich Story," Calvin grows up and doesn't see Hobbes any more. In "Every Day is a Reminder," Hobbes stays around as an animate creature even after Calvin grows up. Fandom loves writing the same stories over and over, but I'm not sure where Calvin & Hobbes fanfic can go from here. At most, it'll be a beloved Yuletide fixture.

More sign of the power of Calvin and Hobbes is that "The Cable & Deadpool Yuletide Special" also crossed over with C&H. Clearly, Calvin and Hobbes are a draw, though not as powerful a draw as Adam Lambert. I don't know if Deadpool will have a bigger presence in Yuletide next year; his general prominence is certainly increasing since X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE came out, but he's still no pop star. I do think that it's worth noting that meta fic is pretty popular of late, and "The Cable & Deadpool Yuletide Special" owes a lot of its popularity to the fact that it's about Yuletide and basically draws on popular Yuletide stories for its content, a gimmick that's not likely to be repeated because it would suffer greatly from repetition. It's not as technically proficient as this year's Calvino fic "Five Stories the Reader Never Began," but it's more accessible to a general reader because it's less ambitious and more cracky. (Incidentally, check out the comment to hit ratio on that Calvino one: 59 comments from 791 hits. YOWZA. Not as many people read that as the Cable & Deadpool story, but almost twice as many of its readers commented.) My guess if there is a trend involved with this story, it's this: we can expect to see more meta fic next year, and some of it will be pretty popular.

Which leaves THE BREAKFAST CLUB, and "Most Likely To." I don't remember Breakfast Club fic in previous Yuletides, so have no idea whether its success constitutes a trend or if it's just an example of "OH YEAH I LOVED THE BREAKFAST CLUB!" ie, there's not a lot of fic in the fandom and people really loved the fandom so were delighted to see good fic in it. Which, if that's the case, would make this one the leading exemplar of "What Yuletide is All About" for the year. Somebody set me straight in comments.

Here's another prediction: look for a lot more of the Merlin Effect. IE, something becomes very popular within the span of the year and eats Yuletide alive. I am betting heavily on RPF to dominate within this category again next year, given the cyclical nature of pop music and celebrity culture. There will be a New Hotness over whom fandom will go gaga, and there will be a ton of fic squeaking through the eligibility window. If this keeps up, there's a very outside chance that Yuletide might have to review eligibility rules -- but my bet is that this is actually fuel for the growth of Yuletide. Yuletide increases the likelihood of a large audience, and a large outside audience for new fic in a new fandom means that more people will hear about Yuletide who haven't. Moreover, Yuletide having a ton of fic in some new hot fandom every year ensures that the challenge remains hip'n'with-it, and keeps new people coming.

Anyway, there we are: Yuletide, 2009.

[cue music: "Don't You Forget About Me"]

Comments

Posted by: GMTH (gmth )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:08 pm (UTC)

Very interesting, thanks for writing it up. I'm wondering if there's a correlation between hits/comments and recs, as well. I don't remember seeing recs for the other fics because I don't follow those fandoms and wasn't paying attention, but I know the Breakfast Club fic got a TON of recs. That probably had a lot to do with this much older fandom breaking through with these newer and hotter fandoms.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:36 am (UTC)

I got this link out of #yuletide chat, from the compiler, whose name I unfortunately didn't write down: this is a del.icio.us account dedicated to Yuletide recs. It is organized by tabs, so you can see who recced what. Very useful if you're into that sort of data.

Posted by: jules (mjules )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:18 pm (UTC)
Rainbows: Flag-Waver

Here from your link on yuletide . very interesting. But what I really commented to say was:

(Note to self: corner market on HOMOSEXUALITY IS MY FANDOM T-shirts.)

I would wear the hell out of that shirt.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:37 am (UTC)

ITS TIME HAS COME.

Posted by: duckgirlie (duckgirlie )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)

The Breakfast Club has a small but steady Yuletide presence, as far as I remember. My first two years (05/06) I got Breakfast Club fic, the first one of which (The Supper Club, by Kaneko) is still one of my favourite Yuletide fics).

I was initally surprised AI, as well as Star Trek (Reboot) was included, as they're already huge, but fandoms in their first year are still okay, aren't they, ragardless of size so far? I was surprised Torchwood was still in.

Posted by: Mme Bahorel (mmebahorel )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:39 pm (UTC)
johnphoto

Torchwood itself isn't in - there are several crossovers (Jack rather lends himself to that). I think those are part of "optional details are optional" - enough people are conversant enough in Torchwood that they can cross it over with really random fandoms for much recipient squee.

Posted by: because you're the greatest, ted! (holli )
Posted at: January 3rd, 2010 07:19 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kaneko (kaneko )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 06:15 pm (UTC)

Posted by: ames (carta )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:26 pm (UTC)

I was honestly surprised that AI was eilgible this year, but maybe it was just the people on my friendslist who were crazy about it, and not enough fandom-at-large to knock it off the eligibility list. I suspect you're right though - this may be AI's last gasp at Yuletide.

I think your analysis of C&H is dead-on.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:39 am (UTC)

Thanks! I think Yuletide is actually a *great* location for a bounded fandom like C&H -- there's not enough activity that it'll get mined out quickly, and there's enough turnover that people won't remember stuff as being unwitting retreads of what's gone before. I think C&H could be a Yuletide presence for ages to come.

Posted by: ames (carta )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 05:55 am (UTC)

Posted by: ignaz wisdom (ignazwisdom )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 05:55 am (UTC)

Posted by: indigo_5 (indigo_5 )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 04:32 pm (UTC)
Win Andy (Breakfast Club)

Interesting! Thanks for this. I adore the Breakfast Club and wish there were more fanfic around for it -- it seems kind of tailor-made for fic, in a way, because there are so many places you could go with it. This Breakfast Club fic (which was not, as far as I know, written for Yuletide) is one of my favorite fanfics of all time, in any fandom. But I'd never read any Calvin & Hobbes fic before this year, so thank you Yuletide for that!

Posted by: lian (lian_li )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:33 pm (UTC)

Incidentally, I have the suspicion that Res' fic alone has increased potential Breakfast Club fandom from ~10 to >1000. I mean, I haven't ever even seen BC, but that fic is just so fabulous, I'll readily read other stuff in this universe.

Posted by: Laura (tavella )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:02 pm (UTC)

Oh, cool, didn't know we could sort by hits. I was surprised that AI RPF was eligible *this* year -- it seemed like every ex-popslasher and half the SGA refugees were writing it, I could not figure out under what definition it was a "small" fandom.

Posted by: PROBE UNIVERSE (liviapenn )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)


AI season *8* got in under the "first year" rule, just like Leverage-- which, even though it's mid-S2 now, premiered in something like December of last year and so this was its "first year" of having a fandom.

I think the other seasons are legitimately obscure.

Posted by: congratulations universe, you win (miss_universe93 )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)

Posted by: peeps wanna see peeps boink (musesfool )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
more fun and fewer rules

Yeah, I was surprised by AI RPF being included, because it's not its first season, but I suppose there are always exceptions - possibly because it has new people every season they consider each season separately?

Leverage only got in because it premiered after yuletide noms closed last year and there was a lot of fuss about it not being allowed this year since it wasn't, technically, around last year. White Collar was in a similar position this year, but it premiered early enough that people nominated it before it aired, pretty much on the strength of the premise and also Matthew Bomer's blue eyes. I would be surprised if it's a yuletide fandom next year.

The Breakfast Club has been a popular yuletide fandom for the past few years - I think it's because many fans of a certain age grew up with it, and while it doesn't have a year-round fandom, it does have a couple of viable slash pairings, Brian/Bender apparently the most popular.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:42 am (UTC)

Thanks for the input! I knew about Leverage, but I'm still dang puzzled about how American Idol works. And I'm glad that folks know about the Breakfast Club stuff, which I didn't at all.

Posted by: Megan (gamera )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:35 pm (UTC)

Part of the reason the Dinosaur Comics story got so many hits is that someone linked it to Ryan North (the comic's creator) and he posted the link on Twitter. A good half of those hits are from non-Yuletiders.

Posted by: keerawa (keerawa )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 06:30 pm (UTC)

someone linked it to Ryan North (the comic's creator) and he posted the link on Twitter
Oh wow, I am FASCINATED and mildly terrified by that.

Posted by: Megan (gamera )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 08:22 pm (UTC)

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)

Posted by: Megan (gamera )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Betty Anne (artistbettyanne )
Posted at: January 3rd, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)

Posted by: TC (tagalongcookies )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)

I think a couple people have already mentioned it, but I'll throw my own thoughts in since I came upon the fic while just browsing by myself by fandom. I think a lot of "Breakfast Club" fic tends to be not bad, but predictable, and this particular fic was really well written, very enjoyable, and an unusual (slash) pairing. Obviously I'm being subjective here, but I think the unusual subject of the story (Bender/Brian) as well as its good execution caused it to get recced a lot (I swear it showed up on every other rec list) so I think maybe that is why. So yes, I do think its an example of "why yuletide rocks for small fandoms" :) :) :)

Posted by: Kaneko (kaneko )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)

You wrote Killing Elvis!! I just wanted to tell you again how much I loved it. I hope more people find it and tell you how amazing it is after the reveal.

ETA: with link so people can click through. (Please do click through, casual readers - it's awesome!!).

Edited at 2010-01-01 05:49 pm (UTC)

Posted by: devilc (devilc )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)

For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that American Idol RPF may not be eligible for Yuletide next year.

I was surprised it was allowed at all, given the large, active, and enthusiastic fandom with multiple communities and archives filled with thousands upon thousands of stories.

It's the fandom that ate my f'list.

Posted by: had it with being your kid sidekick (sotto_voice )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)

Posted by: congratulations universe, you win (miss_universe93 )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 12:03 am (UTC)

Posted by: ignaz wisdom (ignazwisdom )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 06:00 am (UTC)

Posted by: congratulations universe, you win (miss_universe93 )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 09:04 am (UTC)

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:44 am (UTC)

Posted by: keerawa (keerawa )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 06:32 pm (UTC)

Thank you for writing this! It's my first year participating in yuletide, and I've just been dipping my toes in the waters. I apprecaite some meta about which stories are getting truckloads of hits and comments.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)

There are patterns, definitely. Of course, there are also things that come out of freaking nowhere.

My tip is to remember that, while it can provide a platform for showing a potentially huge audience what you can do, Yuletide really is about spreading the joy of small or rare fandoms. (It's also about writing stuff you wouldn't have written otherwise.) This year I wrote in several fandoms that are well-known but don't have big writing fandoms; last year I wrote in several fandoms that are less known and have *no* writing going on. I got less comments, but it was great to do. If somebody goes into it trying to maximize popularity, they're missing the real fun of Yuletide, which is spreading joy and challenging themselves.

Posted by: Icepixie (icepixie )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 07:05 pm (UTC)
Here from metafandom
[NX] Chris on Christmas Eve

Very interesting! I'm always curious about stats like these; thanks for taking the time to compile and analyze them.

Incidentally, check out the comment to hit ratio on that Calvino one: 59 comments from 791 hits. YOWZA. Not as many people read that as the Cable & Deadpool story, but almost twice as many of its readers commented.

I think it might be important to note that the hit counter doesn't necessarily record whether someone read the fic, only that they clicked on it. For example, I got all excited upon seeing "If on a Winter's Night a Traveler" in the fandoms list, clicked on that story, and about a third of the way through, realized I'd need to reread the book in order to fully appreciate it. So once I do that, I'll come back, finish the fic, and leave a comment, but the hit counter still records the original hit that didn't lead to me actually reading the fic all the way through.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:58 am (UTC)
Re: Here from metafandom

True. Which means the comment-to-hit ratio is even higher.

nextian , who wrote that one, BTW, also was my Yule Goat. And I got a great story. I really was very lucky with Yuletide this year.

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 07:21 pm (UTC)
geek

I'm surprised how many hits Yuletide stories get. In comparison for example the most popular SGA story at AO3 has 676 hits and the one after that much less, and currently SGA is the tv fandom with the most stories at the archive. Of course part of that is that not that many people read SGA stories at AO3 yet, whereas it's the only place to find the Yuletide stories at least for now. But still. And if you sort all works posted the last month by hits the story with the most is not Yuletide, but still AIRPS fic.

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
archive of our own

The hits weren't counted retroactively and the feature was only added within the last couple of weeks, so, for example, there's a story by Speranza that has 97 comments and 68 hits. *g* The fic with the most hits is one astolat posted yesterday, which is a fairly intimidating thought!

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 06:20 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 09:21 pm (UTC)

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
archive of our own

Neat bit of analysis! I definitely wouldn't expect to see AI RPF on the list again, but you're right - a popular fandom or two in the mix probably adds to the overall participation and enjoyment.

Incidentally, check out the comment to hit ratio on that Calvino one: 59 comments from 791 hits. YOWZA. Not as many people read that as the Cable & Deadpool story, but almost twice as many of its readers commented.

Nothing like a meta Yuletide story written in the second person to compel a response. *g*

And werewolves, hee. *uses appropriate icon*

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 04:59 am (UTC)

Thank you!

I approve of your icon very much.

Posted by: PROBE UNIVERSE (liviapenn )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 07:26 am (UTC)

Posted by: elz (elz )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)

Posted by: PROBE UNIVERSE (liviapenn )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Franzi (franzeska )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 09:07 pm (UTC)

I remember several other Breakfast Club stories being a big hit in past yuletides. Lots of other movies of the same era (Top Gun, anyone?) also tend to consistently get nominated and produce a trickle of fic.

I'm surprised though: I didn't see any attempts at Care Bears popularity this year. Did I just miss it, or did no one try to write The Terrifying Porn to End All Terrifying Porn?

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 05:06 am (UTC)

Thanks for the info! And you're right, I don't think there was the Terrifying Porn one this year, though there were efforts to put tentacles in as many fics as possible.

Posted by: doro-chan (doro_chan )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 09:37 pm (UTC)

You know, looking at this list as a Yuletide participant from a non-English country is really strange. I have never heard of Dinosaur Comics, no idea what Cable & Deadpool, Calvin & Hobbes and Breakfast Club are and only vaguely know about American Idol. Merlin RPF really is the only fandom of these that I am familiar with.

there is not a single person on the planet who does not love Calvin and Hobbes.

Except for all the persons who've never heard of it?

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 11:41 pm (UTC)
under a rock

Where do you live that you never heard of Calvin and Hobbes?? I'm in Germany, and they are quite popular here as well from my impression. I mean, I got the original editions in my comic store long before I was in online fandom, and I've seen plenty translations in bookstores and libraries, and merchandise in my comic store. Though I have no idea what Breakfast Club is either. And I know of Cable and Deadpool only that they are a Marvel series.

Posted by: doro-chan (doro_chan )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 11:52 pm (UTC)

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Posted at: January 1st, 2010 11:59 pm (UTC)

Posted by: PROBE UNIVERSE (liviapenn )
Posted at: January 3rd, 2010 12:50 am (UTC)

Posted by: Rat Creature (ratcreature )
Posted at: January 3rd, 2010 01:25 am (UTC)

Posted by: PROBE UNIVERSE (liviapenn )
Posted at: January 3rd, 2010 09:06 am (UTC)

Posted by: Roga (roga )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 02:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: congratulations universe, you win (miss_universe93 )
Posted at: January 1st, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)

This is a wonderful post! You are so righr in everything you say, though especially in terms of Idol RPF and other 'Merlin effect' fandoms each year. On the one hand, the mass fangirliness and the fact that there is indeed non-Yuletide fic out there for those fandoms (and that readers of the Yuletide stories are on the whole not Yuletide participants) kind of makes you question whether it should even be in Yuletide in the first place. I've personally never been a fan of the 'first year' eligibility rule because to me it somewhat disregards the popularity of the fandom - I felt this way about Glee when it was made eligible though it didn't make as a big a splash as I thought. That said, it does, as you say, raise Yuletide's profile through outside people reading Yuletide fic in these fandoms and keeps Yuletide fresh and modern. But really, though I know astolat and elynross have MORE than enough to do for Yuletide already, it does need to be looked at. I remember in last year's Yuletide AI RPF was already a teeny bit of a problem because of the two Davids - there was only one AI RPF fic last year that wasn't about them, and I wrote it. What makes me grumpy is that during the nomination process I hemmed and hawed as to whether Tennis RPF should be eligible as I know that there are several big fic comms for it, and Roger/Rafa stories are written every year when 'rare tennis fic' comms exist that specifically ban Roger/Rafa due to it's prominence in fandom. Someone in the chat pretty much told me "Well, if AI RPF can be eligible..." And now I feel silly for even bringing up the possibility of tennis RPF being ineligible, because compared to AI RPF it is teeny.

That said, as a Ryan/Simon writer I will say that pretty much every other season of AI besides the last two are definately obscure. I would be unhappy if all of AI RPF was made ineligible! But I am rambling, so once again, great post :)

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)

I have to say that I am so glad I'm not a Yuletide mod, actually. Because the bigger Yuletide gets, the more issues like this there are.

Posted by: Stevy (ankaret )
Posted at: January 2nd, 2010 02:46 pm (UTC)
Love

Here via Yuletide, and I can't tell you how much I love you for 'Werewolves of Fandom'. It will be part of my personal dialect from now on.

Also, thank you for doing this! Fascinating look at which fandoms were most popular and why.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka )
Posted at: January 5th, 2010 01:59 am (UTC)

Welcome! And thanks for popping by.

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