David Hines (hradzka) wrote,
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books to make my flist's heads explode: John Ringo

Lately, some folks on my f-list have been looking at Lord King Bad profic. brown_betty gave us LEOPARD LORD, and cereta reviewed THE SHEIK, and burger_eater pointed me to Smart Bitches, Trashy Books's take on Shayla Black's DECADENT. These books, it should be admitted, are deeply awful, and as portrayals of their authors' ids, they're more than a little alarming. You don't want to look, but you can't look away. The awfulness becomes sublime.

So why am I commenting about this? Well, because I feel a little like Richard Dreyfuss in JAWS, during the scar scene: "I got that beat. I got that beat."

Permit me to introduce John Ringo.

Contains excerpts of fiction revolving heavily around 1) rape and 2) whores. If you're bothered by this kind of thing, YOU REALLY DO NOT WANT TO READ ABOUT THIS. Even though it's so bad it's funny.Collapse )
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Anonymous

March 31 2008, 04:39:23 UTC 12 years ago

I kept reading the descriptions of this, and kept alternating between "This has actually been PUBLISHED?!?!?" and "Why do you keep reading this? Why do I even keep reading the descriptions?!?!?"

My brain... I think my brain is bleeding, just knowing that not only have these books been published, but that they're selling well enough to have been sold as a series... And that they're STILL COMING OUT!

I can only wonder what bizarre club John Ringo and John Norman would belong to. Maybe the obsession with prostitutes has something to do with their shared first name...
Sorry, didn't mean to post that anonymously.

hradzka

12 years ago

3fgburner

12 years ago

"This has actually been PUBLISHED?!?!?"

Anonymous

12 years ago

Dear god, man!

So these are the men's bodice-rippers, are they?
Something like that! As long as your OTP is man/kingdom.

3fgburner

12 years ago

UPDATE: I lived

3fgburner

3 years ago

I, too, was led here by liz_marcs, and I would like to thank you for posting this. Not just because of all the reasons others have mentioned, but also because it helped me with my own guilty pleasure, fanfics where Xander of BtVS ends up turning into some combination of the Punisher/Rambo/James Bond, preferably with cross-overs to multiple (usually incompatible) universes. Tenhawk is the king of this genre, and he has a recent string of stories where Xander ends up leading a team of SEALs tasked with fighting the supernatural (he's also independently wealthy, all the ladies love him, etc.). Of course, Xander's team ends up having to go on an op somewhere in the former Soviet Union, and he ends up fighting side by side with the Keldara. Oh, and Cottontail's there, too, having sex with an evil Spike for surveillance purposes. Now that you've posted this summary, I know that what Tenhawk is doing with Ringo's characters is actually staying true to them, which might just be a first for him. So thanks for feeding my own peculiar literary kink.
OMG! These sound deeply awesome.

...I may have to look up these fics. Because -- well, *because,* dagnabbit.

slvrcrystalc

12 years ago

Wow. That's...both horrifying and fascinating at the same time. Like, I can't tell whether or how much you're supposed to like Mike wossname. And John Ringo's obsession with whores appears to rival Frank Miller's.

I get the feeling I'm seeing Ringo doing some extremely disturbing self-examination, as a writer and as a man
Yeah, I see what you mean. And, as a man, I find it very interesting. Not that I have the urge to go fuck some whores and save them or whatever, but you know.

Well, here's the thing. I know you make fun of his hobby of adopting whores like cats, but the base idea of, like, getting a woman out of that gig if she doesn't want to be in it is a good one, right?

And in the paragraph you post at the beginning, where Mike declares that he feels that deep down, he is a rapist, I thought he actually was, but once I read further, I saw that it wasn't really the case. Like you said later, it's more that he fears his own perversions. And, well, he really doesn't like rapists. That's a good thing, right?

But then there's the part where they find a bunch of abused teenage girls and clean them up just to fuck them, which even I can heartily respond to with OH JOHN RINGO NO.
And in the paragraph you post at the beginning, where Mike declares that he feels that deep down, he is a rapist, I thought he actually was, but once I read further, I saw that it wasn't really the case. Like you said later, it's more that he fears his own perversions. And, well, he really doesn't like rapists. That's a good thing, right?

See, I feel he is having to define "rapist" in a very special way to get himself not to be one. Sadly, this special definition is not limited to fantasy.

spectralbovine

12 years ago

hradzka

12 years ago

masgramondou

12 years ago

mindstalk

12 years ago

masgramondou

12 years ago

dancingguy

12 years ago

Anonymous

12 years ago

Ummm... no. You're missing the point.

Anonymous

12 years ago

Re: Ummm... no. You're missing the point.

Anonymous

10 years ago

OH MY GOD.
AND YET THEY ARE AWESOMELY COMPELLING. IN STRANGE AND FRIGHTENING WAYS.

I am half minded to enter Yuletide this year, just so I can ask for some Ringoverse fic.
I think from now on I am going to shout "OH JOHN RINGO NO" whenever I come across dubious fictional developments with prostitutes. Thank you for enriching my life!
You are welcome! ...though you may not think so if you ever actually read the books.
I was pointed here by james_nicoll. At least he's better than Kratman.
Always pleased to be linked! ...and I haven't read Kratman, yet. But I really want to.

rfmcdpei

12 years ago

mzmadmike

12 years ago

strega42

12 years ago

Kratman teams with Ringo on some books

Anonymous

12 years ago

Re: Kratman teams with Ringo on some books

Anonymous

12 years ago

At least he's better than Kratman

Anonymous

11 years ago

There is not enough WTF in the world.
But it's a really *interesting* kind of WTF. There's a strange tension, particularly as the series goes on, between Ringo's id-tastic desires and his understanding, as a writer, that he's playing a lower game here. It's oddly interesting; you never know which way he's going to break, or for how long.
"As of this writing, I have only the first three books in the series, because dammit, I will buy crap, but I refuse to buy crap in hardcover. That's *expensive.* I mean, I could be spending that money on *guns.*"

My brain is a better place now that these sentences are inside it.
As my gun safe is a better place now that more guns are inside it!

...although given the price ratio of guns to even hardcover books, this money-saving technique of mine may not be the *wisest* of ideas...

(ooh! my Dan Wesson .45 has shipped from the factory -- LOOK I CAN QUIT AT ANY TIME OKAY.)
I think my jaw just detached itself from my skull. Why God, why?
To paraphrase Chris Sims's comment about Bob Kanigher: because John Ringo, that's why.

At least, that's my best guess.

That is life.

Anonymous

10 years ago

I never thought I would flail while reading a book review, and I have been reading Slacktivist's Left Behind reviews.

But now I am torn between flailing and screaming "unclean! unclean!" and running to get a shower, only because I have been in the same room with that man. Twice. At SF convention panels, but that amount of distance is enough to induce shudders.
I've never met Ringo, but I'm actually curious to. My sense is that he fully realizes that he's writing in a deeply weird territory, and in the later books he starts making efforts to acknowledge that -- but at the same time, he's trying not to disappoint the fans who liked the earlier stuff. Which is, you'll admit, an interesting challenge.

(That's not to say there isn't still flailing, though.)

3fgburner

12 years ago

I... damn. And I loved his Kipling-fanboying collaboration with David Weber (the one with the dinosaur/amphibian aliens and the space marines) so much. Military sci-fi is my sekrit guilty pleasure, after "Everybody has Terribly Misjudged Character X" (the current run of Iron Man: Director of SHIELD is like id-crack for me, because it combines military organizations fighting terrorists with cool tech with a protagonist who's slowly unravelling under the pressure of his terrible inner pain while everyone around him is meanz to him OMG).

Though I think someone ought to impose some sort of upward limit on the number of times military sci-fi (and whatever you'd call the 1632 series - military time-travel crack?) writers are allowed to re-write the Battle of Roarke's Drift. I know there's a limit to the number of ways in which you can write the "small group of technologically superior explorers/colonizers are pinned down by a bazillion natives with spears and rocks," but do the spear-carrying natives have to set the hospital roof on fire every time?
I know there's a limit to the number of ways in which you can write the "small group of technologically superior explorers/colonizers are pinned down by a bazillion natives with spears and rocks," but do the spear-carrying natives have to set the hospital roof on fire every time?

Yes. Yes, they do.

Have you ever read E.D. Swinton's THE DEFENSE OF DUFFER'S DRIFT? It's a really interesting premise, with a touch of fantasy to it. It's told as a dream-story, in which the narrator is charged with a military duty during the Boer War, and he screws up and dies -- but each time he does, he goes back to the beginning to try again, without a memory of what happened the last time except for a vague sense of lessons learned. Think of it as a military GROUNDHOG DAY. Really interesting, and well done; somebody ought to film it.

3fgburner

12 years ago

Wasn't Roarke's Drift

Anonymous

12 years ago

If "OH JOHN RINGO NO" doesn't become a meme, there is no justice on the Intertubes.

A couple of random editorial-style things, though (which I noticed mostly because they tend to apply to me):

1) Libertarian =/= libertarian. It's mostly clear what you're referring to in this bit of snark, but some of us libertarians (in the older sense of the term in the anti-authoritarian left) don't like being equated to those people.

2) I'd probably peg Transmetropolitan as solidly left in most cases...that is, not liberal.
True enough; I'm using "liberal" and "conservative" in the modern-day American political sense. Your points about Libertarians and libertarians are well-made, although I'd say there's often overlap: Neil Gaiman's advance review of LITTLE BROTHER, the upcoming young adult novel by Cory Doctorow, who I'd peg as being of the anti-authoritarian left, notes that the evil straw man is its chief weakness. That's not much different from, say, what Libertarian Jim Lesczynski does in his young adult novel THE WALTON STREET TYCOONS, which must be the only young adult novel ever written for an audience of fully-grown Libertarians.

mmoneurere

12 years ago

Here via metafandom, naturally.

W/r/t ideological fiction and the Right, I wd suggest that things are different in the UK, particularly as regards writig a convincing Opposition. Are you familiar at all with Michael Dobbs?
W/r/t ideological fiction and the Right, I wd suggest that things are different in the UK, particularly as regards writig a convincing Opposition. Are you familiar at all with Michael Dobbs?

No, not at all. Be curious to hear more.

Ah.

wemyss

12 years ago

From Metafandom as well-

DDDDDD: !

In return, I politely offer you the fine fiction at weepingcock.
HELLO METAFANDOM.

(And, um, THAT'S OKAY THANK YOU.)
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