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the new acquisitions

April 13th, 2008 (03:32 pm)

After a rainy morning, the afternoon turned out nice and sunny. So I took some pictures of the new acquisitions.

The first item is not something that I had on my radar at all.


Say hello to Hans, my new Sig Sauer P6.

Hans is a German police gun. He's been around. Check out the detail on the slide:

Oh, yeah.  West Germany, baby.

Yeah, that's right: made in West Germany, baby. Ah, the good ol' days. But Hans wasn't a soldier of the Cold War. He was a police gun. As best I've been able to dope out from the gun boards, the police in the German state of Nordrhein-Westfalen recently did a massive changeover of their weaponry. Nordrhein-Westfalen is the largest German state by population; it borders Belgium and Holland and contains a number of populous cities, including Dusseldorf, Bonn, and Cologne. In Germany, police equipment is issued on the state level, so when it was decided that the cops of N-W were going to change their issued guns to the Walther P-99, they ordered 40,000 new guns, and sold off Hans and his cousins by the lastkraftwagen-load. How do I know Hans was from N-W? He says so on his slide:

I'm still trying to find out what the other numbers mean. There's dispute on the gun boards; I'm not sure if Hans's 11/81 is a "born on date," or what. Most P6s are dated in a code on the underside of the frame, but some of them, like Hans, aren't. He does have some cool heraldric stamps, though. This is one thing that's neat about old guns: you're not just buying a gun; you're buying a little historical mystery that you can resolve with some sleuthing.


I'd planned to use Hans to learn gunsmithing on -- as I said, a Sig wasn't even on my radar, but the price was too good to pass up -- but the folks who've bought these have been very pleased with them. If you're interested in finding an affordable, dependable carry gun, you could probably do a hell of a lot worse than these -- and if you put aside some cash and are willing to wait, you could even get the folks at Sig Sauer to refurbish it for you. Importers are selling Hans's cousins for $260 and up, which is a *great* price for a Sig. Hans cost me a bit more than that, because of dealer mark-up. This is still a fabulous value. He came with a second magazine, which was very nice; magazines are apparently scarce for these, which is one downside.

The other acquisition wasn't made at the gun show. I saw it in a little shop the day before, had an attack of lust, and decided to see what there was at the show before blowing my earmarked budget. I was sorely tempted by a Colt Python at the show, but it was unfired and I wanted a shooter. So I headed back to the little shop on my way home, and made acquisition #2:

<The most perfect battle instrument ever devised.

An M-1 Garand. That's all I really have to say; George S. Patton loved it, and I for one would not want to argue the point with him. It was made at the Springfield Armory, and the serial number indicates that it was manufactured in July 1942.

And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the range.


Posted by: leftarrow (leftarrow)
Posted at: April 14th, 2008 04:52 am (UTC)

Both of those are awesome, but I have to admit that my gaze keeps straying back to Hans. A quick story: At first glance, I thought "huh that looks like my dad's handgun." I dismissed this as an amateurish inability to distinguish details. Later on, I actually showed it to Dad, though, and he said, (out loud, because we apparently share the same brain) "Huh, that looks like MINE."

Never quite established what type of firearm he owns, but apparently it looks an awful lot like Hans. The last time I shot it was probably . . . 8 years ago or more. I remember that it had kind of a nasty kick: I could only hit anything on my first shot, because after that I flinched every time I pulled the trigger.

Also, I'm voting for 11/81 being the "born on" date. Because that would make Hans my supercool firearm-ish twin :)

And, um, that's probably enough from me for a while.
/long-winded gun squee.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka)
Posted at: April 15th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
sledge hammer!

The verdict is in: you and Hans are indeed twins. Found a great post explaining it all on the Sig Forum, courtesy of a German cop.

I had been a little confused about the P6/P225 issue. Hans was billed as a P225, but all the dealer tags listed him as a P6. The dealers were a little vague about what P6 actually meant, but said there was no difference; I figured it meant that P6 was some kind of weird-ass European designation, or something. (Gun manufacturers do weird stuff with model names. Look at Smith & Wesson's revolvers some time, and try to figure out the rhyme and reason of it.) Turns out "P6" means "Polizei type 6." As in, Hans and his brothers are the sixth generation of police handguns in post-war Germany. Though "generation" may be pushing it, as they were sometimes in service with different state police outfits at the same times.

11/81 is indeed his manufacturing date. 221 is the last three digits of his serial number; that's probably how the cops cataloged him. Saved writing the whole thing down.

And now you know... the rest of the story.

Posted by: hossgal (hossgal)
Posted at: April 24th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)



(Sorry, I feel like I should have more constructive comments, but that's about all that I can manage at the mo. Except that I wish I'd been out at a range in the sunshine.)

Thanks for sharing.

- hs

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka)
Posted at: April 24th, 2008 01:04 pm (UTC)

I will have to post gratuitous gun pics more often!

...of course, this means I will run through my stock and have to acquire more guns. So I can take pictures of *them,* and -- oh God, it's a vicious cycle!

(Of course, it ends with me having more guns, so *that's* good.)

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