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all-female superteams

July 9th, 2009 (10:04 pm)
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So Marvel's got MARVEL DIVAS and DC's got DC SIRENS or something, apparently. I haven't been paying attention to it, but neither of them seem to be pleasing my flist. The only one I've glanced through is MARVEL DIVAS, which is kind of tooth-grating in that there are a couple of glimmers where you say, "Oh, hey, I see how this could be a half-decent comic, if they only changed pretty much everything about it." DIVAS is a laughably transparent SEX AND THE CITY rip, and Marvel apparently thought this would appeal to the female reader. I won't deny that a lot of women apparently really like SEX AND THE CITY, but the flaw is that *the vast majority of these women do not read comics or find themselves in circumstances where they might buy one.* So, of course, Marvel's doing promotion that reaches outside traditional comic avenues for this untapped audience, right? ...

*crickets*

Yeah. So this makes no sense. The people who would like this don't even know it exists, and the women in comic book fandom are going to find it annoying as hell. I really wish that Marvel would just pick up that bit from AMAZING SPIDER-MAN SUMMER SPECIAL with MJ, Clea, Scarlet Witch, Millie the Model, Hellcat, Marvel Girl, and She-Hulk taking on the Enchantress. Oh, well.

So, a question: who's on your all-female comic book team? I think for DC I'd go with Power Girl, Mary Marvel, Empress, and Onyx. Mary Marvel and Empress both having magic-based powers might be a little bit eh, but I think it could work. And I liked Onyx's appearances in the Batbooks; it'd be fun seeing her as the only non-super person on a superpowered team. Maybe they could recruit Spoiler, too; get her out of the Batbooks for a while and be her own character.

Or go the other way, and have the superpowered person be the odd one out. Okay, maybe I'm crazy, but listen to this line-up: Manhunter, Mary Marvel, Onyx. Two cynical-as-hell normal people and one peppy, optimistic super. Bonus points if they all have to live together, and Onyx has to put up with Mary being chirpy at disgustingly early hours while Onyx fumbles for the coffeemaker.

Marvel, I'd go the other way. Have a team of A-list superheroines... who don't fight crime. They act as mentors and advisers for young, up-and-coming superheroines, who do. Or decide they're not cut out for it. Basically, a coffee-club organization to give advice to girls developing superpowers. The focus is on the kids, who form and dissolve various efforts at superteams, but the big heroines make guiding appearances. (To me, this organization is something that the Invisible Woman would head up.)

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Posted by: madripoor_rose (madripoor_rose)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 03:41 am (UTC)
Fandomstocking

http://marvel.com/news/.8597.Marvel~apos~s_Summer_Style_Guide

Oh, don't forget! Marvel's also giving us girls lip gloss!

I like your Superhero Big Sister idea. That's a comic I'd read.

Posted by: riah_chan (riah_chan)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)

Or maybe just told good stories that treated both the male and female characters respectably... it's not that girls don't want to read comics (or don't read comics... just as many girls read manga as boys) it's that American comics don't cater to them well. And if the muckamucks think it needs to be girly froufrou stuff, they are nuts too. Many, many girls love boys manga as well.

I'll stop before I really get on my soapbox...

Posted by: Richard D. Fox (rdfox)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 04:03 am (UTC)

Gotham City Sirens is, basically, the "Bad Girls of Gotham" book that Paul Dini proposed a number of times--it's a Catwoman/Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn teamup book. Unlike Marvel Divas, it's *not* a lame "Sex in the City with superpowers" book.

Posted by: Elspeth (elspethdixon)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 06:06 am (UTC)
AdventuresHankJan

who's on your all-female comic book team?

I actually kind of enjoyed the brief adjectiveless X-Men run where the team consisted of Rogue, Mystique (prior to Mystique's sudden-but-inevitable betrayal), Lady Mastermind, that girl Sentinel android, and Iceman & Canonball (Iceman being, of course, an honorary girl).

Rogue and Mystique's warped mother-daughter thing is always interesting to read.

My all-time female team-up, though, would be Carol Danvers, Wanda Maximoff, and Jan Van Dyne, maybe with Mockingbird along for the ride, because that would force Marvel to pull their heads out of their collective arses and 1) de-crazify and un-fridge Wanda and 2) resurrect and unfridge Jan.

Birds of Prey is pretty close to a all-time DCU female team-up.

Posted by: Not your everyday Viking angel (shadowvalkyrie)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 08:34 am (UTC)
Tribble

Yeah. So this makes no sense. The people who would like this don't even know it exists, and the women in comic book fandom are going to find it annoying as hell.

You have this amazing talent to sum up what everyone thinks but can't express without flailing in short concise sentences.

Gotham Sirens, from what I've seen so far, seems to be based on the absolute opposite kind of concept from "let's put a lot of stereotypical girl things in a book and hope against reason that female fans who took refuge from mainstream media in comics to avoid just that kind of stuff will suddenly like it". It's more of a "let's put all the pretty females we can find in one book, add a little homoerotic subtext, and consequently we won't need to bother with plot because our (predominantly male) audience's heads will have conveniently exploded" approach. (Which is why I feel kind of bad for wanting to read it as soon as it makes its way across the pond, but unfortunately, cheesecake as a main selling point doesn't lose its power even after you've seen through it.)

Posted by: Vanilla ... Spiked with Slivovitz (jenna_thorn)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 01:38 pm (UTC)
age brings wisdom by cincodemaygirl

Basically, a coffee-club organization to give advice to girls developing superpowers. The focus is on the kids, who form and dissolve various efforts at superteams, but the big heroines make guiding appearances.

I would actually buy and support this. Invisible Woman, biting her tongue as the kids go on about romance and marriage. Zatanna eyeing the emo shapeshifter with a weary eye and trying to keep the budding mage from biting off more than she can chew. "You faced demons." "I had three people standing behind me and I got my ass handed to me, kid. I'm trying to help you, here. Close the damn book and step back." Oracle losing her temper the fifteenth time she hears, "OMG, that's so lame!" from the same lip-glossed mouth and throwing something across the room with deadly accuracy.

Whoops, I mixed companies, there. Also, I'm really showing my age, aren't I? Oh dear.

Posted by: A large duck (burger_eater)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 03:39 pm (UTC)

I enjoyed the She-Hulk run that focused on that law-firm to the supers--it was fun stuff (mostly) but I'm not sure if it's still ongoing.

I think your Marvel Mentors is a good idea, although the last I saw of Mary Marvel, she had turned "dark."

Posted by: Sara LaKali (sara_lakali)
Posted at: July 10th, 2009 10:56 pm (UTC)

I like the Super Big Sisters, but it needs to be retconned in so that it has existed as long as there have been super-heroines.

Failing that, for at least part of its existence, the Birds of Prey was supposed to be open to any super-heroine. That's a good idea--to have a rotating cast of A-through-Z-listers.

My personal favorite would have to be the women of the pre-COIE Legion of Super Heroes.

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