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July 24th, 2009 (09:41 am)
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A pretty remarkable quote from Harry Knowles, on TWILIGHT fans at Comicon:

After that - the audience went from a female majority to a male majority with the impending awesome that was AVATAR. I do have to say - the snobbery that I've read from some of my fellow online Bloggers - kinda annoyed me, specifically when Devin from CHUD twittered that it was time for REAL GEEKS to get in. I'm sorry. But any film... any audience... that camps out overnight, travels from around the world, to see a glimpse of their Vampire movie stars and a brief glimpse at too short footage. They're REAL GEEKS in my book. They make their own T-shirts, costumes, outfits. They hang on every word, rumor and report. They're real geeks, just excited by the romance of young love and the fantasy of immortality. And that's cool. To see so many truly hot young women at Comic Con... that isn't a shame, that's a goddamn relief! Because at Comic Con - they'll become not real geeks, but BIGGER geeks - and just spending these first several panels with them - well, it was nice. There was a passion and a thrill and energy to the room that was missing when they had gone.


Yeah, he did throw the "truly hot young women" in there, but overall that's a pretty nice sentiment. I figured [info] sharpest_rose would like that.

News flash: I don't like TWILIGHT. As a matter of fact, I think it's pretty poisonous. I hate TWILIGHT for the same reasons I hated Spike/Buffy, and for the same reasons I dislike several varieties of fanfic: it ignores considerations of humanity, characterization, honest storytelling, and above all the implications of everything it sets in motion because hey, man, it's hot. It tells a susceptible audience that romance is the be-all and end-all, it legitimizes behavor that's creepy and repulsive, and it's generally pretty yecchy.

But y'know what? Young people like crap. Not to say they don't like good stuff, but they love crap too. When I was a kid, I honestly believed THE BEASTMASTER and KRULL to be terrific movies. So I don't much worry if I think what they're into is crap; they've got strong constitutions that can recover from poison, and the nice thing about SDCC is that they'll get to see some other stuff while they're there. Maybe that'll get 'em discovering other facets of fandom, other things to be fannish about.

Even if most of them didn't stay to see James Cameron talk about AVATAR.

(girls are you nuts it's JAMES ALIENS TERMINATOR THE ABYSS CAMERON are you out of your teenaged minds? -- HE MADE TITANIC, TOO, ALL RIGHT?!!?)

ETA: Video footage of TWILIGHT fans in their native habitat (alas, not Comicon), as they react to the NEW MOON trailer:



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Posted by: vito excalibur (vito_excalibur)
Posted at: July 24th, 2009 02:00 pm (UTC)

GOD. THANK YOU.

It bugs the crap out of me how people are all worried about what Twilight will dooooo to these delicate female minds. I mean, okay, it's not great literature, fine. I grew up on Anne McCaffrey and Thieves' World. I can assure everyone that was not affirming feminist indoctrination, and I turned out okay in that respect!

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Posted by: vito excalibur (vito_excalibur)
Posted at: July 24th, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)

Duh, how could I ever forget Piers "Panties" Anthony?

Posted by: Elspeth (elspethdixon)
Posted at: July 24th, 2009 05:29 pm (UTC)

*groans* I read that book about the color of Mella Merwoman's panties in midle school, when I was too young to know how skeevy the title was (my parents noticed, though. And I wondered why they were raising their eyebrows at it *head desks*). And I still thought the horrible puns were funny, back then.

I think part of what makes Twilight so disturbing to people is how intensely caught up in Bella and Edward's romance so many tween and teen girls are, convinced that it's the most romantic thing ever and saying that they want a boyfriend just like Edward.

The phenominon's not new, though. Young women in the nineteen teens and twenties squeed and sighed over the guy in The Sheik (also known as "In the Arabian Desert, it's always Rape o' Clock") and thought his relationship with the heroine was "so romantic" and wanted Rudolph Valentino to come drag them off into the desert for a spot of sexual assault and stockholm syndrome masquerading as love.

I draw a distinction between that and my Spuffy and Hank Pym/Jan Van Dyne love and guilty shipping of Comedian/Silk Spectre I by telling myself that I know how fucked up those relationships are, and that dating a woman who beats you unconscious and leaves you in an alley, or a psychologically unstable guy who once hit you, or a man who tries to rape you is dangerous and not romantic, but maybe at the end of the day I'm no different than the hordes of screaming Twilight fans.

Posted by: David Hines (hradzka)
Posted at: July 24th, 2009 10:36 pm (UTC)

I'm kind of amazed that every time people cite the things that horrify them about Piers Anthony, none of them ever seem to mention what *I* think is the most horrifying thing.

Posted by: mendori (mendori)
Posted at: July 25th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)

Which is....?

Posted by: vito excalibur (vito_excalibur)
Posted at: July 25th, 2009 04:04 pm (UTC)

We usually mention that he's still getting paid, don't we?

Posted by: Drooling Fan Girl (droolfangrrl)
Posted at: July 24th, 2009 08:21 pm (UTC)

Thanks for the info hon.

Posted by: Bill A (billa1)
Posted at: July 25th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)

Last Friday morning, my MSO and I went to see HP:THP. During the previews, they showed the trailer for the new "Twilight" movie. I swear that fifteen teenaged girls seated behind me literally screamed in my ear just like the women in the clip above. Why? Because Edward was shirtless. I've already told my MSO that she will see the new movie without me. I've had enough.

Posted by: trinfaneb (trinfaneb)
Posted at: July 27th, 2009 09:48 pm (UTC)

THE BEASTMASTER is still a terrific movie, if you embrace the cheese :)

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